Saturday, September 26, 2009

HOUSE OF NUMBERS... and all this Blind Speculation...


This is my critique of what I found to be one of the most eye opening and objective documentaries I have seen in a long time. And it is also a response to the many people writing about this film... many I have to say have either honestly have not seen the film, or were surprised at the aggression faced when being a supporter of such notions, or at least expressed being enlightened by such information.

The message this movie conveys is one that challenges the intent, motivation, knowledge, and logic of an industry that not only doctors but also patients cling to for their very sustenance. I can see how the message is challenging for some. Some people are sick, some from the drugs, some from the many underlying illnesses that get overlooked at the point that you are diagnosed HIV+. Making the notion even more challenging.

I do not believe this film denied the existence of HIV. Though I think it called into question whether we have suffeciently proven it, and how the methods we use to diagnose and prove it are somewhat questionable.

What I saw in the House of numbers film is the fact that it takes three tests in Africa to make an assumption about diagnosis. Of course in the instances that tests are used at all for diagnosis. I lived in Africa for three years, and the images you see on the tv screen are very different than the bulk of Africa. And when you see those images on the tv screen if you were truly aware of the conditions those people were living in, you would be absolutely appalled that we are doing nothing about those things whilst forcing poor governments into backruptcy or submission for toxic drugs.
I think the way this filmed portrayed the townships that many of the poor urban africans live in was true to form. The water I drank when living in a tribal villiage was so chlorinated after a few hours in the buckets its stench was that of bleach. To speak of infrastructure and basic needs that are unmet is not unjustified. If you were aware of their diet many who sustain on corn meal if lucky to have food at all, you would see the issues that are knowingly caused by such diets, like Pellagra... a common cause of wasting and other AIDS defining issues amongst the corn subsistent.

Those drugs are proven to be dangerous and toxic in hundreds of studies at the NIH... Both to adults, and to unborn children, so I really do not find that theory questionable. The side effects of many of these drugs are death. Liver Failure, Hepatic Failure. Mitochondrial DNA damage is an unavoidable side effect. Look it up and consider those implications and another illness they mirror... And if you look at the statistics more people died of AIDS annually when EVERYONE was being drugged at diagnosis. Isn't it you guys that are always quoting the statistics? Well you obviously read selectively.

I also saw that someone at the WHO, openly admitted that the numbers used for calculating the amount of infections were doctored, and that the calculations were not based on confirmed diagnosis. Not to mention the symptoms which defined diagnposis could fit a myriad of other health issues that have been common in Africa for centuries.

I saw another person from the CDC, openly explain the state of affairs in the early 80's and how the CDC "needed" an epidemic. Go look at History doesn't sound like some far fetched theory, and hell who's wants to argue with a source that was there, and had a title in the organization.

The dissidents had minor sound bites in this film compared to the long dialogues with the core people from the HIV/AIDS frontlines. That was one of the things I found most compelling about this film. And one of the things that sets it apart from what is considered "Dissident" Films. It was highly objective.

I have to say the long comments by Luc Montagnier were compelling and mind blowing. I would not say he is not qualified to speak this perspective. I do believe he was given more airtime than any other.

The fact that JP Moore would say he was mis-quoted is absolutely Hilarious, considering he said nothing more than what we have all seen and heard him say for years. And if you are listening to his statements well... he is known to be suspect, and good at spreading rumors.

I did not see a Dissident film. I saw a younger perspective of some very valuable questions and points that can be verified as good plausable requests for validation... If you are a researcher like myself that verifies things in the mainstream before I believe them.

And as for that younger perspective, watch out cause it isn't going anywhere... and that voice is only going to get stronger... until one day... they are the very people in control.

The youth of today are not stupid. They have music bands challenging the likes of flouride.(an entire album dedicated to flouride the poison) They have issues with these authoratative people that keep trying to tell them whats good for them while they stand by and see the harm for themselves. They don't trust pharmacueticals, and they think doctors are aggressive and untrustworthy.
Oh yes... I am loving the younger perspective. Talk to any young people lately. Oh yes there is hope.

7 comments:

  1. Have you ever looked at the citations in the list posted at the top of this page? Here are the first four. Two are from 1980 and have nothing to do with HIV. One involves reactivity to just one band on western blot. The other is a review in a journal called Postgraduate Medicine. So there's actually no evidence that the factors associated with these citations could cause anyone to test HIV+.

    52. Snyder H, Fleissner E. 1980. Specificity of human antibodies to oncovirus glycoproteins; Recognition of antigen by natural antibodies directed against carbohydrate structures. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. 77:1622-1626.

    19. Healey D, Bolton W. 1993. Apparent HIV-1 glycoprotein reactivity on Western blot in uninfected blood donors. AIDS. 7:655-658.

    13. Cordes R, Ryan M. 1995. Pitfalls in HIV testing. Postgraduate Medicine. 98:177.

    5. Barbacid M, Bolgnesi D, Aaronson S. 1980. Humans have antibodies capable of recognizing oncoviral glycoproteins: Demonstration that these antibodies are formed in response to cellular modification of glycoproteins rather than as consequence of exposure to virus. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. 77:1617-1621
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  2. Maybe I should re-evaluate this list, but I have called on the professional who created it to respond. Plus I have investigated TB as a cross reactive factor, as well as many others on this list... it is widely known in the medical establishments that pregnancy and some of the others cross react...

    I know from my own personal investigations I have verified many cross reactive factors several which are not on that list. (Malaria, CMV, & T-Cell Lymphoma)

    I spoke to a woman at the public health testing site and asked her what the cause of any false positives were. Can you believe it, Feline Lukemia! had caused two roomates that were not sexually active to test positive.

    I also reecently found an older study that found CMV a common illness to be cross reactive with P24... which is supposedly one of the most HIV specific proteins.

    http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbstracts/ma?f=102192527.html

    Another that found T-Cell lymphoma to be cross reactive.

    http://www.springerlink.com/content/8mrnkffee8rr15xu/

    I will see what the professional that compiled that list has to say about your post... otherwise I have gathered quite a few on my own and will rework it.
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  3. Not the same anonymousSep 28, 2009 02:55 AM
    I've also checked the references on Christine Johnson's list, and I can't find a single one that provides evidence of a false HIV diagnosis resulting from any of these factors.

    I haven't checked all of them - only a couple of dozen where the full text is available on the net or where the abstract gives enough information to get an idea of whether the reference has anything to do with the claim.

    Most of them are talking about a single cross reaction leading to either a falsely reactive ELISA or a single band on a Western Blot (neither of which on their own come close to constituting a confirmed diagnosis of HIV infection in most settings).

    Some of the references provide no evidence at all of the claimed "cross reaction". For example, the reference claiming that anal sex itself causes cross reactive antibodies to appear is entirely unsupported by its own references (by the same authors, incidentally) which merely hypothesise it as a cause of immunosuppression, not antibody production - and even then on extremely dubious grounds.

    Cross reactions on serological tests are well recognised. With modern HIV ELISA tests up to one or two per thousand tests will show such cross reactions, generally at a low level of reactivity compared with the true positives. With earliest ELISA tests it was as many as ten or twenty per thousand. A band or two cross reacting with HIV gag proteins on a Western blot isn't all that uncommon, and further testing is needed to work out whether such "indeterminates" are from cross reacting antibodies or whether they represent the earliest stages in the development of HIV antibodies following infection. Usually it turns out to be the former.

    Such cross reactions are generally well recognised, and taken into account in working out the sequence of testing and other data used to make a confirmed HIV diagnosis.

    False HIV diagnoses occasionally occur, but they are extremely rare these days, and in most cases are the result of human error in tracking and processing samples, or failure to understand and follow diagnostic protocols.

    I'd be interested to know, in what relevant field is Christine Johnson a "professional"?

    She certainly doesn't seem to have spent much time understanding immunology or diagnostic protocols, and the fact her references so often have nothing to do with her claims is extremely sloppy, to say the least.
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  4. Well I most definitely will be reviewing this list more intensely. And validating that list. I generally investigate intensely all information I put forth and will admit that you cought me out there. Though I have done my own research on cross reactions and well despite that there are questions about this list, it is rather insane the number of things on that list that can be proven to be cross reactive on HIV tests.

    Though I am sure you will even work to challenge those which I back up with verifiable research studies from the mainstream.

    You would be shocked to know the correlations I have personally found in my research regarding some of the most specific proteins and antibodies. You can challenge the study on CMV all you want but I find it rather interesting considering how common it is, and the fact that CMV was one of the first things looked at to be the cause of AIDS. Not to mention the number of diagnosed patients that are healthy some even without HIV virus in their blood who are positive for CMV.

    What is most frightening is how common some of these things are. (CMV which affects 50 to 80% of the population though is only tested for in pregnant and or positive people because of how common it is and then is written off and opportunistic or co-infection) It is also sad the when the small percentage that actually present with CMV illness are diagnosed as AIDS patients they do not recieve the proper treatment for CMV. Also it seems certain people may create cross reactive antibodies while others do not. Not to mention an overlooked part of immunosupression is the number of co-infections that are deadly on their own which are found in AIDS patients. Many which are not treated at all upon HIV diagnosis. As syphillis is something that is generally treatable when caught early and ARVS are not a treatment for Syphillis, nor Epstein Barr, nor Toxoplasmosis. More ironic is how non of those are sexually transmitted but syphillis... yet they are supposed to be related to an STD?

    HIV/AIDS is a misdiagnosis.

    Another interesting example of cross reactions not all pregnant women manufacture that same cross reactive antibody, and it is multiparous pregnancies that do cause us to produce different antibodies. The unfortunate thing is not one of them seem to know how to rule out pregnacy as a false positive particularly in people who have never presented with virus in thier blood. Researchers at some of the most experienced hospitals (UCSF) validate that. No one has been able to tell me how to rule out pregnancy in a misdiagnosis instance where no virus is present. What can you say about that?

    Why are people who have no virus even considered HIV positive. Antibodies alone should not be able to determine that, when most antibodies prove immunity in the general population of antibody response.

    T-Cell lymphoma another cross reactive factor is not treatable with ARVS.

    How do you fellas feel about endangering patients in such a way? That is what I truly would like to know.

    As for anal sex...

    I would say just from a logical standpoint that it is highly possible that Anal sex could cause the body to produce antibodies. As there is a certain amount of tearing in this process and always an exposure to bacteria I would assume. I could say logically exposing your blood stream to fecal matter over the course along with other std's and illnesses could very logically lead to some form of immunosupression, throw in drug abuse... and well come on fellas... can you say DER. Though there is science to back that up and I will find it for you and not from a Dissident scientest at that... Can you not logically say that those things could lead to immunosuppression?

    To get back to cross reactions a recent study showed that Malaria is also cross reactive... in the event a person with malaria is diagnosed HIV positive they are administered with ARVS instead of the life saving Malaria treatments... So truly can you not say that patients are being endangered in the misdiagnosis of HIV/AIDS?
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  5. Also I must add that the points made in the first statement regarding those unrelated to HIV, are aspects that cause positive bands on the tests (regardless of HIV)... so if you happen to have those in the event of positive HIV test they will show you to be more positive for HIV even in aspects unrelated to HIV. I will let another elaborate more on that... but that is what I am getting from the challenges you state on the items unrelated to HIV.
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  6. Also I should inform you when I evaluated my own Western Blot results I found such things as gum disease being cross reactive on a certain band. (from containing similar if not identical proteins) Along with CMV. Just by personally investigating the Antibodies, and the proteins without the keyword HIV. It is truly sad the amount of evidence that points to many of these antibodies being non-specific. If it has not been properly presented intitially... do not doubt that I will put my research skills to work... because I came to my beliefs about this illness through scrutinous research of the mainstream findings many I am sure which are censored along the way if not simply by eliminating funds for further research on such topics. It is not unfathomable to think that sometimes we may not be getting "the whole truth" simply because of the personal interests involved. And if they refuse to lay it on the table with other scientists nor allow the payment of someone to try to isolate it on their own seperate of Gallo... I have to ask myself... What are they hiding?
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  7. Also, when you get your result of the hiv test,doctors dont tell you that there is a possibilitiesthat you may have contacted the HIV virus,They confirm that you have hiv, like they have seen the virus in your blood, thanks Brent
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